Saturday, March 8, 2008

Bienvenidos

Welcome to the Zapopan Lectures blog!

Let's carry on the conversation.....

43 comments:

nanuka said...

...hi!! here we are...so we were talking about??? the last poem that Sergio sent us? or a new one?

garrett said...

I'll post the WCW poem and the translation, and we can take it from there....

ZSEBORUCO said...

Garrett, I think that we all should post an entry, no?

nanuka said...

...what do you mean by post an entry??

garrett said...

Absolutamente, sí, todos should be able to post - can you not post an entry?

ZSEBORUCO said...

Garrett, perfect! The blog is set so that anyone can post an entry!...probably the only other thing that I suggest is that you leave the edit option ON in the entrances, so that we can edit later our own entrances. I say this because, for example, I want to make a small change to the WCW's translation!

garrett said...

Try going to the Customize link near the top right of the page, then selecting the Posting tab, then the Dit Posts sub-tab - can you then edit an entry from there?

nanuka said...

...I don´t understand what are you saying...about the posting..

garrett said...

Everyone here should be able to create a post or entry (entrada) by clicking on the "New Post" ("Neuva Entrada"?) link towards the upper right hand corner of the page.

Anyone who has posted (or created a new entrada) should be able to edit their post by either clicking on the little pencil (lapíz) icon at the bottom right hand corner of the entrada, or by clicking on the "Customize" link towards the upper right hand corner of the page, then select the "Posting" tab and then the "Edit" subtab.

I'll explain this to whoever wants me to when we meet on Thursday.

vagoimperial said...

saludos! hi! arrivederci!

nanuka said...

...hola Jis, nomàs es cosa de hablarle a Juan y ya estamos todos los Solòrzanos...

ZSEBORUCO said...

y a Don Fede...

ZSEBORUCO said...

Garret, write a mail to Alberto and to Jorge so that they can join the group....Do they need a password or something to enter?

garrett said...

is Jorge Jorge Rivera? Jorge Rivera is a member of the blog, and I'll send him information about the lectures.

Who is Alberto? and email address....

ZSEBORUCO said...

Alberto Garcia is a friend of mine, former editor of Tedium Vitae. He knows already about the lectures. His mail is:
alberto.garcia@notaria97.net

garrett said...

Right, you told me, I should have remembered. Done.

ZSEBORUCO said...

G, are we going to have a chance to know your poetry?

garrett said...

Perhaps when we're back from vacation I'll do a reading - ?

nanuka said...

...yes, please do! but, are we ready?? will we understand it??

javierjwoo said...

Diana, here you go again! You shouldn't try to "understand" a poem. Just let it get inside your mind, your heart, your stomach... if it pleases you, shut up the "reasonable" part of your brain (that seems to be very demanding).

garrett said...

Yes, but. Can you understand a collage by Picasso? You can understand that different materials were pasted onto the same surface, that maybe also paint was applied, and that the whole is a work of art. If by understanding you mean, Can we see that it's a guitar? In the Picasso collage I showed last week you could, but in others you might not be able to so much. But seeing the guitar is not understanding the painting, any more than "seeing" the plums in Williams's poem is understanding the poem.

I do think you have to suspend that part of your brain which is looking for a resemblance, that is looking to have the poem = something. My approach is to try to help you all look at what is going on in the poems themselves, just as once you had to learn that painters stopped seeing a need for verisimilitude (optical resemblance) in the 19th Century.

javierjwoo said...

Are we able to suspend the looking for resemblance? Isn't it that our brain works in base of "representations"? We need to name an object (to baptize it) in order to be able to think about that object.
Xavier Zubiri, an important spanish philosopher, considers that our mind (helped by our eyes, ears, etc.) is able to "aprehend" the reality of the world that surrounds us in just one look at it. Only after this first approach, wich is complete and true, begins the work of the logos, the part that judge in base of a complicated assembly of rules. In some cases, as a result of the work of the logos, we reach a third level, the reason. All this in the ground of knowledge, but, may I proppose that art stands and works in a different sphere?

ZSEBORUCO said...

"Seeing is forgeting the name of the thing one sees" Valery

szalvador said...

That's the level of...

Illumination.

javierjwoo said...

That's it! Only Valery, as a poet, may affirm this: "...forgeting the name of the thing..." (Is he affirming?)On the contrary, Emmanuel Kant wrote a complete chapter on the subject of seeing with all the implications of the process. Perhaps the divorce between poetry and philosophy started in the different angle of seeing the world, in the opposite places adopted by poets and philosophers (encouraged by Plato's condemn of poetry).

szalvador said...

Maybe the second way our mind works...

Not only the level of logos (for me, the same that in reason).

garrett said...

Yes but I didn't say resemblance, I said verisimilitude, which is optical resemblance.

Some philosophers - Nietzsche, Heidegger, Gadamer, all the hermeneutically influenced philosophers, and Wittgenstein, just to name a few - would say (contra Plato) that there is no divorce between art and philosophy.

Some of these would say that exactly the process of naming prevents us from apprehending the thing itself. To be a little less philosophical about that: when a poet is named as part of a group, school, or movement, this may be useful to his or her career, but also greatly limit the ability to read that poet because of having been cast in a certain light.

Wittgenstein wrote: "Philosophy ought really to be written only as a form of poetry." To which one could reply, poetry out to be written as a form of philosophy. George Oppen takes this on as a poet.

javierjwoo said...

Just to think in a Wittgenstein's poem scares me to death. I know that there are a few, but after trying to "unveil" the paragraphs of the Tractatus, I quit.
I feel more proximity with the work of another spanish philosopher, also an exiled, María Zambrano. She developes her ideas in a "style" apparted from the arid language of phenomenology and, in some of her works, I think she is a poet.

garrett said...

Wittgenstein's remark is about what is happening on the level of language and sense, not a call for philosophers to write poetry. Or vice versa. Have you ever read Nietzsche's poetry. And, I'd suggest that if you see I've written philosophy, run.

javierjwoo said...

No, never read Nietzsche's poetry, but I've heard some of the music he wrote for the piano; it doesn't sound very different from the music of that period. It's even a little boring.
I am sorry Garrett, but, after Zubiri, I scarcely read new philosophy. So, if you decide to write philosophy, maybe I would not read it.

garrett said...

I meant run away.

nanuka said...

...wow!!! andan perrìsimos...pero estoy aprendiendo mucho (creo)..

vagoimperial said...

los solórzano tenemos que demostrar que merecemos nuestro lugar en este curso, Nanuca, hay que estar buzos, hay mucho alumno bien aplicado, nos pueden chingar, Nanuca!

nanuka said...

...tengo miedo...pero lo voy a superar...

laura said...

Yo tengo pavor!
me voy a hacer la disimuladita,
ahí juntita con los Solorzano
muy calladita
y con el diccionario en mano
por la ortografía
No le traduzcan esto a G.
plis.

nanuka said...

...no te apures Laurita, Garrett solo se pone a traducir todo...ya no tenemos escapatoria...

garrett said...

Note that there are two "laura"s on this blog - Esponda and Solórzano. Something we can do to clarify who is who?

szalvador said...

Laura Esponda es Lau(R)e ó Laurita, etc.

Laura Solórzano es Laur(eat)e Poet ó simplemente Laura

nanuka said...

...pero cuando sale el comentario, las dos dicen: Laura. Que hacemos? ó nos guiamos por el contexto?

szalvador said...

Ah, es cierto...

Este es un caso para el administraador del Blog.

garrett said...

who, me?

szalvador said...

Obviously

ZSEBORUCO said...

Mr Woo, what is it that all tapatios like so much of Signor Xubiri? His pensamiento emocional (emotional thinking?)